Showing posts with label Loyalists. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Loyalists. Show all posts

28 February 2023

52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks: Week 7 "Outcast"

When I think of outcasts in my ancestry, I think of my Loyalist ancestors, cast out of New York to New Brunswick after the American Revolution. My research has focused mainly on Michael Ogden and his son Jonathan Ogden, but my Clark and Morrell ancestors in New Brunswick were probably also outcasts.

Jonathan probably deserved his fate, since he did serve in the Loyal American Regiment (more about the LAR here) and fought against the colonial army. He was probably aboard either the Ann or the Apollo when  they sailed from New York to New Brunswick in the fall of 1783, after the formal end of the war, removing Loyalist soldiers from the new country that they had opposed. His father joined him in New Brunswick probably at a later date.

Michael and Jonathan were granted land in Long Island, Queens County, New Brunswick in July of 1786. 

I need to do much more proper analysis of Jonathan's service and the petitions and land grants for the Ogdens, Clarks, and Morrells. I could also see if any Clark or Morell ancestors served in any British provincial units. 



20 February 2017

Ogdens and Tooles

I recently received an email about a DNA match from someone looking for information on Tooles in New Brunswick. I have Tooles in my family tree, but only as potential half-brothers to my 3rd great-grandfather Robert Ogden. I could not understand how we could share DNA.

Then the lightbulb finally lit. Our common ancestor is not a Toole, but is probably Mary Clark who was married to James Edward Toole, with whom she had four sons, and then Jonathan Ogden. The only evidence that Jonathan and Mary were Robert's parents was a book on New Brunswick Loyalists that listed him as a probable son. The book cited no sources for evidence of that relationship. Several online family trees list them as his parents, but none of them cite any evidence either.

I have been looking for evidence for some time now. All I had so far was Robert's Ontario obituary that said he came from a New Brunswick Loyalist family (Jonathan was a Loyalist) and a land sale between Robert and one of his potential half-brothers.

With the DNA evidence possibly tying the Tooles and Ogdens together through Mary Clark, I am now more certain of Robert's parentage. This means we are Ogdens descended from John Ogden of Rye, NY, an early settler from England in the colony of Connecticut and then Westchester Co., New York.

Time for a genealogy happy dance!

28 January 2012

SNGF: Your Maternal Grandfather's Paternal Line

Here's Randy's challenge for today:

Find a living male person in your database from your maternal grandfather's patrilineal line who could take a Y-DNA test. Answer these questions:

1) What was your mother's father's name?

2) What is your mother's father's patrilineal line? That is, his father's father's father's ... back to the most distant male ancestor in that line?

3) Can you identify male sibling(s) of your mother's father, and any living male descendants from those male sibling(s)? If so, you have a candidate to do a Y-DNA test on that patrilineal line. If not, you may have to find male siblings, and their descendants, of the next generation back, or even further.

4) Tell us about it in your own blog post, or in a comment on this post, or in a Facebook or Google Plus post.


Part of me wants to cut to the chase (#3) but I'll do the whole thing.

1) Emery Julius Ogden

2) This line goes back a long way:

6. Emery Julius OGDEN (b. 9 Sept 1896 in Elk Point, Union Co., SD, USA, m. 19 Mar 1929 in Gordon, Sheridan Co., NE, USA, d. 8 Apr 1984 in Martin, Bennett Co., SD, USA)

12. William Fredrick OGDEN (b. 10 Oct 1871 in Simcoe, Norfolk Co., Ontario, Canada, m. 25 Jan. 1895 in Elk Point, Union Co., SD, USA, d. 19 May 1951 in Platteville, Grant Co., WI, USA)

24. James Robert OGDEN (b. 9 Feb 1836 in New Brunswick, Canada, m. 12 Nov 1861 in Grey Co., Ontario, Canada, d. 6 Aug 1910 in Rapid City, Pennington Co., SD, USA)

48. Robert OGDEN (b. abt 1807 in New Brunswick, Canada, m. 13 Jan 1825 in Kings Co., New Brunswick, Canada, d. 26 Jan 1892 in Bruce Co., Ontario, Canada)

96. Jonathon OGDEN (b. 1748 in NY, m1. before 1794 to Millie Whitlock in ?, m2. 20 Oct 1801 to Mary Clark in Gagetown, Queens Co., New Brunswick, Canada, d. 14 Nov 1845 in Greenwich, Kings Co., New Brunswick, Canada)

192. Michael OGDEN (b. 1703 in Rye, Westchester Co., NY, m. ?, d. 30 Mar 1790 in Queens Co., New Brunswick, Canada)

384. John OGDEN(b. 1672 in Rye, Westchester Co., NY, m. ?, d. 1746 in North Castle, Westchester Co., NY)

768. John OGDEN (b. 3 Sept 1600? in England, UK, m. 19 Apr 1865 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT d. 1682 in Rye, Westchester Co., NY)

3. The person I'd chose for a Y-DNA test would be my mother's only living brother. He also has four sons and a couple of grandsons through them. In addition, my maternal grandfather has three brothers, Elmer, Cecil and James Robert. The last of them died in 1991. I can't find any records of any of them having any children. These are probably branches of the family tree that my brother neglected when he was in charge of my mom's branch of the family tree. My great grandfather had two brothers, Delbert and John. Delbert had two sons, but we don't have any info on John. So my mom's cousins and her dad's cousins are wide open research opportunities.

The main benefit to having a Y-DNA test done on this branch would be to see if there is really a family tie between John Ogden of Rye, NY and the John Ogden of Elizabethtown, NJ. They were contemporaries in the colony of Connecticut and are rumored to have been cousins. The descendants of the latter John Ogden are well documented, those of my Loyalist ancestors, not so much. The other benefit would be to get a foothold on research into our roots in England. Knowing the area of England where our Ogden line sprang from would give us a starting place of where to look for source documents.